Robin's Reckoning Part II - Bat-May

2-May, 2021
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With the first part setting the bar so high, can part II of Robin's Reckoning finish strong? Walter gives his thoughts on this iconic two-parter on a new episode of Bat-May.
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"Robin's Reckoning" is the two-part fifty-first and fifty-third episodes of Batman: The Animated Series. They first aired on February 7 and 14, 1993. The episodes depict the origin of Robin (Dick Grayson).
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  • What did everyone think of Robin's Reckoning? Follow Walter on Twitter -​​​​ Watch all the Bat-May here -​​​​ Follow us on Twitch -

    Channel AwesomeChannel Awesome10 kun oldin
    • This was one of my favorite two-parters in the series. I can’t help thinking that maybe not picturing Tony Zucco as Biff Tannen would have helped. That said, I’m not going to deny that Walter brought up some fair criticisms. On a side note, I actually didn’t know that Thomas F. Wilson also voiced John Grayson as well. Anyway, it was a great review! I’m so glad Bat-May is back!! 💚🤗🤗💚

      Lesley RedRhodyLesley RedRhody10 kun oldin
    • I thought the episode was great

      SimonHS27SimonHS2710 kun oldin
    • What do you think of Stan Lee?

      Anton IssaAnton Issa10 kun oldin
    • I think it would have worked better if Batman was afraid Robin would straight up kill Zucco, breaking the One Rule. This is Dick Grayson, not Jason Todd.

      Louis DuarteLouis Duarte10 kun oldin
  • apparently in the original airing of this episode, batman was using a large plank of wood as a crutch (which is why is mouth isn't moving and his walk cycle is so strange, they altered it, probably for censorship reasons) and they cut a line of Robin telling Batman "you dont know how I feel, how could you ever know!!" only to realize he crossed a line saying that, which is why Robin admits Batman made the good call to leave him behind.......not sure why any of these changes were necessary at all

    Gojiro7Gojiro712 soat oldin
  • Well, Bruce might not have exactly meant that Tony Zuco would kill Robin, just that he knew if things had gone too far there is a high chance the Robin he came to know would be gone either way.

    kurisu7885kurisu7885Kun oldin
  • When you say it wasn't emotional or the art was not the best, it was done in a way so that there was time passed. When Robin swooped in to save the day and fiery vengeance and stopped by Batman when we saw that which was the conflict between the two was actually Batman protecting Robin from any harm because he loves him. And then, didn't Batman say himself that he knew he would die from a big battle or (now get this)some punk that got lucky?

    james89302james89302Kun oldin
    • And before I leave Tony zuko was paranoid looking over his shoulder for years obsessing that the Batman was gunning for him, so he would be that lucky punk

      james89302james89302Kun oldin
    • I watched this show as it aired so your commentary seems like you watched it on DVD or Blu-ray or maybe just streamed it. So the emotional impact that you say is lacking is lost on people who actually had to wait for the next episode.

      james89302james89302Kun oldin
  • You know what would have been an interesting take if instead it was batman that risked taking it to far? Like he lives with his parents death and now raised someone with the same trauma. Which would definitely hurt in a different way. So what if they had gone the route where Batman about took it to far got to emotional about it and instead Robin stepped in.

    MrFreeZ2UMrFreeZ2U2 kun oldin
  • I always thought that by "losing him," Batman meant that he didn't want to lose who Robin was because he would be changed forever after taking revenge against Zucco.

    Czah5Czah52 kun oldin
  • I think when Batman said he didn't want Zuko to take Dick too, he meant that Robin would kill him and get put away.

    PaulPaul3 kun oldin
  • Kinda sounds to me like this needed another part to really give the middle part enough time.

    thcollegestudentthcollegestudent3 kun oldin
  • I know people may hate it but In Batman Forever, Two-Face threatens to blow up the bomb. I thought when Bruce Wayne shouted that he was Batman, was an amazing scene. It involved the Graysons and made me think of it with these episodes.

    shtupurgnamakitshtupurgnamakit3 kun oldin
  • But that Akira reference tho...

    Christian RuffinChristian Ruffin4 kun oldin
  • I think it was because batman though Robin might kill zucco and he might lose him in that way. Like his soul

    Batman FanBatman Fan5 kun oldin
  • 2:00 I always believed he meant that he’d be the one that robin would lose control over and kill.

    Alberto CamejoAlberto Camejo5 kun oldin
  • In titans season 1, Robin kills Tony zucco for good.

    Nathan CruzNathan Cruz6 kun oldin
  • You miss the point of batman saying "afraid he'd take you too" He's not afraid of robin being killed, but of Robin losing himself by killing him and then becoming someone completely different post murder. It's why Batman has such a strong feeling about killing people in general and he projects his fear onto others not realizing not EVERYONE loses themself completely for having to do something that should be done.

    Devil's AdvocakeDevil's Advocake6 kun oldin
  • I felt there should have a been fight scene with Batman and Robin that would've been epic.

    WildCatTheBoldWildCatTheBold6 kun oldin
  • "fear Robin would take his revenge too far!" ...I thought that's what Batman meant

    M A R I N AM A R I N A6 kun oldin
  • 1:48 - You know, watching closely, I realise I remember Batman had a wooden board holding on his left, in the Dvd release. Now theres nothing, and I find it odd.

    UruMariaUruMaria6 kun oldin
  • While I agree with your complaints about the animation, I'm not quite with you on the analysis of the writing for Part II. Yeah, it's not as exciting/emotionally-resonant as the first chapter of Robin's Reckoning, but I don't take offense to some of its quirks seemingly as much as you did. While they could have established it more, Batman does not anticipate stuff *quite* as much as the Internet's "prep time" meme of the character does - it is true much of the time, but not always. I could see (again, especially if they set it up more) that if Batman was having an "off" day, Tony Zucco could catch him by surprise and put him in a compromising situation. Also, while the concerns of "Robin taking vengeance too far" may make more sense with what we know/are used to with the character, it's been done to death before; I was fine with Bruce actually opening up and taking it the way he did [being upset that Dick Grayson might get himself killed if he's involved with bringing Zucco in). I still appreciate your thoughts on this, and all of the episodes, anyway; looking forward to more episode-specific deep dives as we roll through the rest of "Bat-May!"

    TitanguyTitanguy6 kun oldin
  • your raise a lot of good points that are hard to refute so I'll just say this I can still enjoy the second half while admitting it isn't as good as the first but at the end of the day I still think this two part episode is among the best the series had to offer maybe if they had made it into a 3 part episode they could have let the second part breathe more and have the ending in general feel less rushed either way in my mind this is still pretty good

    TheCreepyproTheCreepypro7 kun oldin
  • I actually like the way the elevators made Zuko's eyes bug out an order to show how paranoid and different he was from any other mobster in Gotham; and we do know there's plenty!

    Lowell Lucas Jr.Lowell Lucas Jr.7 kun oldin
  • Why would a show outsource the animation to multiple teams???

    Robert HarrisRobert Harris8 kun oldin
  • When Batman says “ I didn’t want to lose you “ to robin he meant it in a symbolic way. Robin was overcome by this obsession and was not being himself. I feel Batman was referring to Robin losing himself and in turn Batman losing who loves and respects.

    Ana BrionesAna Briones8 kun oldin
  • I’m pretty sure Batman didn’t think Zucco would kill robin. It actually gives insight into how Batman constantly fears losing himself and if robin killed Zucco he feared it would happen to him.

    Kevin NeutzlingKevin Neutzling8 kun oldin
  • Hey Walter. I always thought the ending was spot on. When Batman tells Robin that he was afraid that Zuco might take him too. I always thought of it as him referring to Robin's humanity, not his life. Being how Batman struggles with that constantly. He know how thin that line is between justice and revenge. Remember bruce still sees him like a boy, a little brother he needs to protect. So when he said he was afraid of loosing him he meant his kindhearted soul.

    Roland GarciaRoland Garcia8 kun oldin
  • I think he meant “take you too” as in make robin go crazy and do bad things.. kinda like Jason

    BAT-TALK!BAT-TALK!8 kun oldin
  • Ive always loved Dick the best (ha) and this two parter was a big reason my absolute favorite part tho is probably when Dick rides up with the carnival music going into over gear and then just terrifying the crap out of Zucco

    Daniel GonzalezDaniel Gonzalez8 kun oldin
  • I guess I can understand that man being irrational, but you’re right about the bungled reasoning behind stopping Robin. I guess a better idea would’ve been to have Batman admit that he wanted his own revenge because he saw too much of his own experience in Robin.

    Connor ThompsonConnor Thompson8 kun oldin
  • I kind of liked how the characters eyes were popping throughout the episode, because Batman has been running him ragged all these years.

    Connor ThompsonConnor Thompson8 kun oldin
  • Batman was worry, that Robin will kill Zucko not that this mob whacked Robin. That's why he not wanna Vive that case to him

    Bobek 24Bobek 248 kun oldin
  • I think Bruce was worried that Dick would lose his focus in this pursuit, and slip up in passion when confronting Zucco that Zucco might get the momentary edge to take him out. So the emotional payoff worked for me.

    Edward De La TorreEdward De La Torre9 kun oldin
  • Cool review and I cosplay as robin in 2013 (the young justice robin)

    Ariel fangirl MendezAriel fangirl Mendez9 kun oldin
  • I always felt when he said "take you too" is that Dick would lose himself That he might kill Zucco. And after you kill someone you are never the same.

    zevadprimezevadprime9 kun oldin
  • I just realized something different, look at Batman's suit in the flashback. Its different. It looks like the future suit he dawns

    Brandon WheelerBrandon Wheeler9 kun oldin
  • You have to consider, any punk can get lucky. Zucco doesn't have to be an A-list criminal to take Robin out, and because this is so personal for Robin, Batman probably thought Robin would be at a disadvantage when he finally came up against Zucco. There's my two cents..Now..What are you going to do to me???

    keeponplayingkeeponplaying9 kun oldin
  • I think my sentiments of the two parter are echoed here. Honestly my favorite Dick Grayson episode is from The New Batman Adventures "Old Wounds."

    Master ClockworkMaster Clockwork9 kun oldin
  • 2:21 - Actually, I can see it as a more metaphorical take Robin away - By being the one that turns Robin into a killer

    IcalasariIcalasari9 kun oldin
  • do hobo with a shotgun next

    OceanZeaOceanZea9 kun oldin
  • Ah, BatMay... ~_~

    Majin SoleMajin Sole9 kun oldin
  • Walter check out National Lampoons Men in White film on UZworld Tom Wilson and everyone else in the film were great aired on Fox Kids 1991 let u know if u didn't know that back then.

    Nathan HaftorsonNathan Haftorson9 kun oldin
  • Showing more of the past for Dick/Robin's past and the hunt of Tony Zucco to be stopped, leave this to Batman. Same thing with Robin too.

    Tayla Drago HesterTayla Drago Hester9 kun oldin
  • the comments are either talking about zucco's eyes or "take you away" line

    mutalordmutalord9 kun oldin
  • Can we make a BAT-YEAR?

    DasKameDasKame9 kun oldin
  • There's a joke to be made about a character called Zuco being chased by a kid who becomes obsessed with catching him

    Camilo Garcia YlasaariCamilo Garcia Ylasaari9 kun oldin

      Sid NewSid NewKun oldin
  • All right! My favorite episode will be reviewed tomorrow! This was a really edgy episode, in part because a substantial part of it is from Zucco's perspective. There's palpable tension as we see him becoming increasingly paranoid, so genuinely terrified he seems to be of Batman. I remember him ranting to his goons, "He's a dark angel of death, man!" - and the line was so believable, I didn't find it the least bit funny or hammy.

    SeasideDetective2SeasideDetective210 kun oldin
  • I’ve always wondered, how long does Batman train his robins before taking them out on patrol with him?

    KumaoftheForest and his CubsKumaoftheForest and his Cubs10 kun oldin
  • Sounds like this should have been a three or four parter.

    Vake XeaconsVake Xeacons10 kun oldin
  • Wow

    jeniel crossjeniel cross10 kun oldin
  • I would like to point out a few critiques about “Robin’s Reckoning pt. II.” The scene where Batman was limping to Robin near the end of the episode was edited for the blu-ray re-release of Batman: The animated series. In the original prototype of “Robin’s Reckoning pt. II,” Batman was using a long wooden plank as a makeshift crutch for his minor leg injury and his lips were (sort of) moving in that little scene when he goes up to Robin. Also, when Batman was keeping his ward away from Zucco, he did not want to see Robin be consumed with revenge making the boy wonder unfocused and unbalanced, especially as he takes his rage on the man whom killed his parents. In a way, vengeance would *destroy* Robin, in more ways than one. That’s what Batman meant when he said to Robin; “Zucco has taken so much, I couldn’t stand the thought that he might...take you, too”. As Robin stopped and collected himself after the fight, showed mercy to Zucco and walks away, proves he’s a lot stronger than one would anticipate. Batman acknowledges this, as he slightly smiles with pride and admiration for Robin’s progress....and he couldn’t be prouder 😎👏🏼.

    David WhiteDavid White10 kun oldin
  • When you consider how far Robin took it and how emotional he got, I can understand why Batman would be worried that Robin would mess up and get himself hurt or even killed

    Magos HighlandsMagos Highlands10 kun oldin
  • Batmay continues!!!

    Nathaniel FogaNathaniel Foga10 kun oldin
  • Well this is an nice BAT MAY video.

    Dynamosaurus ImperiousDynamosaurus Imperious10 kun oldin
  • i think thats what he meant that robin woulda been lost to him if he killed zuko he was worried about zuko taking that away from bruce but i dont think they wanted to say it in the kids cartoon back in the day

    Young Gouki 32Young Gouki 3210 kun oldin
  • _They're finny, and funny, and oh-so deelish~♫_

    Princess RutoPrincess Ruto10 kun oldin
  • Bat-May is 1 of the best thangz on tha interwebz

    Shaggy DShaggy D10 kun oldin
  • I understand why you said it but I don't agree with the complain of Batman being scare of losing Robin to a average thug, after all it was just a random thug the one who kill Bruce and Robin's parents, the monster that can take everything away from you may not be a genocide psycho killer mastermind but instead the most unexpected one and chances are is just gonna be a guy

    Jesus Linares GuevaraJesus Linares Guevara10 kun oldin
  • I never saw Batman's motivation as being that Zucco was going to bet/kill Robin in a fight. Rather I always thought that he meant that Robin would kill Zucco and it would lead Robin down a darker path. That's my point of view on what Batman meant at the end.

  • I think Bruce was saying that he was afraid of losing dick in an way if a darker path not death.

    Michael RandolMichael Randol10 kun oldin
  • 2:13 @Channel Awesome Walter I think in the moment you saw it to literally. I personally see it as Batman saying Zucco would take Robin away, not by killing him but by basically destroying him. Bringing Robin down to his level and basically causing the boy wonder to fall from grace much in the same way Harvey Dent did.

    Caliburn13Caliburn1310 kun oldin
  • When addressing the animation of Part II, no one ever seems to mention the smoke pellet dropped by Batman at Tony Zucco's feet. When watching the episode on DVD and/or Blu-ray, one can clearly see the pellet on the floor next to Zucco's shoe. In the original animation broadcasted back in the 90's, however, the pellet is actually shown on Zucco's shoe itself. I have the episode on VHS and it still gets on my nerves. 😅

    C. M.C. M.10 kun oldin
  • How many times has Bat Man get in hurt in the show? And how many times has he get in sick or nearly die? in the show?

    Freaky StoriesFreaky Stories10 kun oldin
  • I also noticed, a few times in the flashbacks, Batman was missing the yellow circle around his bat insignia.

    Autum BreezeAutum Breeze10 kun oldin
  • I think part one is better

    Rosemary FlowerRosemary Flower10 kun oldin
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    alo365alo36510 kun oldin
  • I actually recently just re-watched Blind as a Bat, and The Demon's Quest 2-parter; there is NO way that Blind as a Bat should've directly preceded Demon's Quest under any circumstances; it's like watching two completely different characters.

    KingRandor82KingRandor8210 kun oldin
  • I'll be honest, I stopped watching when they changed the name of the series. I wanted to see Batman. Not silly kid and Batman.

    jesternariojesternario10 kun oldin
  • Animation is rather expensive. The budget needs to be spent accordingly.

    Dragon BrownDragon Brown10 kun oldin
  • it is neat seeing flashback Batman though with the pockets-belt and no yellow oval. I didn't even notice it on my first viewing, nor in the batmobile's origin flashback episode where they showed the janky old 'regular car with a big bat head on the hood' batmobile. though it confused the shit out of me when TNBA happened without any explanation or announcement and here is young robin and batman in what looks like the old outfit, I'm like is this supposed to be in the past?

    Kairu HakubiKairu Hakubi10 kun oldin
  • If you took this one to task for bad animation you'll have a field day with the next one, which has some of the most chaotic and bizarre animations in the whole series. Despite this I still wouldn't consider it bad.

    WhiteFangofWhoaWhiteFangofWhoa10 kun oldin
  • The best part of this episode is when Robin catches Zucco on his motorcycle.. he finally got him. And I don't think all the arch enemies didn't kill robin's parent's. So Batman had a little bit to worry about in regards to Zucco.

    F CF C10 kun oldin
  • I think that when Bruce said that he was afraid of losing Dick, he was referring to how revenge would take his SOUL, like it did with Jason Todd, turning him into the murderous vigilante, Red Hood.

    Jeffrey WilliamsJeffrey Williams10 kun oldin
    • @Manuel Alberto Romero Sorry. Fixed it.

      Jeffrey WilliamsJeffrey Williams10 kun oldin
    • Actually, that's Jason Todd.

      Manuel Alberto RomeroManuel Alberto Romero10 kun oldin
  • This is actually one of my favorite episodes, not just of this series, but of any show. Maybe it’s fan service, but I liked Robin just being a bad ass. His anger just turns him into a vengeful monster. I re-enacted the climactic scene all the time as a kid

    Jim StevisonJim Stevison10 kun oldin
  • Joker Fish off the port bow!!!

    Little DevilLittle Devil10 kun oldin
  • I especially love the part where Zucco shoots the ceiling with the tommy-gun: "What's that sound?" "Rats?" "Yeah... rats." _grabs gun & unloads the thing on the floor above him_ The deranged look on his face when he does it shows just how paranoid of Batman he's become over the years.

    Kraven RavenKraven Raven10 kun oldin
    • and keep in mind, he's firing a tommy gun and his own men are telling him to chill out

      Negasonic 117Negasonic 1178 kun oldin
  • Robin: "Zucco killed my parents!" Zuko: "That's rough, buddy."

    Balrighty 35Balrighty 3510 kun oldin

    Jack ColeJack Cole10 kun oldin
  • Personally, I don't hate the episode, but I get you on its inefficiencies. My problem is that Robin changing his mind about killing Zucco was WAY too fast. Seriously, just one stern look from Batman and Robin apologizes for telling him he doesn't know what it's like to face someone who killed loved ones. It should've been longer. Also, the animation doesn't look too bad. It's not stellar like Part 1, but then again, Part 1 was a rarity in animation quality. Most BTAS episodes look like Part 2.

    Joshua LevenbergJoshua Levenberg10 kun oldin

    Riot RivermanRiot Riverman10 kun oldin
  • What, no Coach Lawrence jokes?

    Indie CinemasterIndie Cinemaster10 kun oldin
  • I always read Batman saying he was afraid that he would take Robin too, was that he was afraid that Robin would kill him, meaning Batman would lose Dick had broken the no killing rule.

    candycovercandycover10 kun oldin
  • funny fish oh yeah

    MrGabeanatorMrGabeanator10 kun oldin
  • 1:44 to 2:14. My thoughts exactly! This is a big reason I didn't like this episode very much; Batman's motivation here was way too unbelievable.

    Maverick ChristianMaverick Christian10 kun oldin
  • The animation budget probably went for that akira moment

    abelabel10 kun oldin
  • As I wrote in the first episode, I think you rate the first part too high

    Daniel DunbringDaniel Dunbring10 kun oldin
  • shocked that no attention was called to the now famous Akira bike slide moment, it was shown but I was expecting it to be slightly talked about. (this is a copy and past from my previous because it still went unaddressed which kinda sucks given how iconic that moment became)

    Gojiro7Gojiro710 kun oldin
  • Next time on Bat May: We get one of the best running things about The Joker...The Fake Out Deaths...Sure the episode "Be A Clown" may have started that trend, but "The Laughing Fish" made it fully realized, I mean, it ends with Joker supposedly eaten by sharks! I mean, DAMN!

    Xavior TheLycanXavior TheLycan10 kun oldin
  • For me when Robin told Batman stuck your advice was the only good part for part 2

    Bat NikBat Nik10 kun oldin
  • it ne funny to see this Zucco get a scar burn xD

    Joshy-niiJoshy-nii10 kun oldin
  • If Robin went in recklessly, full of emotions, without any planning or tactics, he could make a mistake and get shot.

    polterghostpolterghost10 kun oldin
  • Didn’t realize that this episode was embarrassing. But yet hilarious 😆

    Sanctuary99Sanctuary9910 kun oldin
  • On the flipside of what Batman meant with Zucco, many times it's the unexpected that we rule out. Yeah, sure, Robin being killed by Zucco... Or tripping and snapping his neck.. Yeah, that happened. That's how Nightwing died in Injustice, he slipped and snapped his neck in a scuffle with DAMIAN WAYNE. TRIPPED, SLIPPED. I'm just saying, you never would expect it, but I could see it happening. On the other side of that line he could've meant Robin killing Zucco, which arguably IS Zucco killing Robin, because he'd cross the line Batman would never. Batman has pointed out that he's come close and in Batman Beyond the literal opening to the show is Batman desperately pulling a gun on someone. I think Batman would think Robin would be "dead to him" if he had killed Zucco, so this could be taken literally and metaphorically. Batman's true fear might've been that if Zucco killed Robin, Batman might cross that line, although he didn't with Jason Todd, we are also looking at a very different Batman, remember that Jason Todd never happened in BTAS or subsequent shows, Todd never appears in the Timverse, so we don't know how Batman would've reacted if Dick was taken from him. However we do have Batgirl's hallucination via Scarecrow, in those events after Batgirl's death, Batman did actually cross the line when he nearly killed Bane, he thought he was dead, the fact that he went for a killing strike says something. Would have Batman killed Zucco for killing Dick? I don't know, some events tell us he might, some say he wouldn't.

    Mitrik GadukMitrik Gaduk10 kun oldin
  • I don't think that's exactly what Bruce meant by Zuco taking Robin/Grayson. I think hr meant Robin taking that life and losing himself to it. Cause Batman doesn't kill and he didn't want Robin to go that far. I hope I'm making sense.

    Anya BlazeAnya Blaze10 kun oldin
  • Not the best episode? Well, you pays your money, and you takes your chances.

    Chef BrecciaChef Breccia10 kun oldin
  • The Bat Airbender

    Cat GuyCat Guy10 kun oldin
  • The thing I hated about this second part really was Robin's outburst where all that anger had built up.........and then, suddenly after that "cold heart" speech, he abruptly drops it all with that "Batman, I..." ((WHY THE _____ WOULD HE SO QUICKLY lose all that anger just because he forgot Bruce's parents were also murdered: just too fast, likely because creators didn't want to make Robin that HIGH LEVEL of a "Dick")

    van8ryanvan8ryan10 kun oldin
  • Ok back when I got to watch the series it just made me mad that I never got to watch the episode that were two parts back to back. Now, years later, seeing both yeah the first was better than the second. I didn’t know the actor who played biff voiced Zucco. I thought nothing of it until you said something

    Keith ThompsonKeith Thompson10 kun oldin
  • That was really heartfelt. Felt like it's not making a video to have one more video, but a passionnate guy adressing a pet peeve.

    El BorakEl Borak10 kun oldin
  • I always thought that comment about zuko taking robin too was about how it would ruin robin if he killed zuko, it would be like loosing him to see him go down that path

    Timothy CarneyTimothy Carney10 kun oldin
  • You're kinda being a bit harsh, don't you think? I think Tony's eyes were like that due to paranoia

    Guardian MorohtarGuardian Morohtar10 kun oldin
  • It could of been better if turned into a three part episode. The beginning, middle and conclusion. But it felt rushed . And well tbh it really can’t remember it .

    bust2007bust200710 kun oldin
  • I mean if I was a criminal and knowing that THE BATMAN himself is chasing after me of course my eyes would be bugged out open not knowing when Batman would come out and take me down. Zucco must’ve been on hopped up on something and mixed with fear as well

    ricardo martinezricardo martinez10 kun oldin